OH MAN

[5/31/15, 6:07:03 AM] Zack: tf
[5/31/15, 6:07:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): ?
[5/31/15, 6:07:19 AM] Zack: r u still doing up
[5/31/15, 6:07:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): in call with park
[5/31/15, 6:07:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): playing games
[5/31/15, 6:07:46 AM] Zack: did u 2 stay up all night
[5/31/15, 6:07:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes.
[5/31/15, 6:07:54 AM] Zack: same
[5/31/15, 6:08:06 AM] Zack: reading book
[5/31/15, 6:08:21 AM] Zack: let am go get an headphones
[5/31/15, 6:09:08 AM] Zack: war r u guys playing now
[5/31/15, 6:11:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): atwar
[5/31/15, 6:11:19 AM] Asston (Crisom): afterwind
[5/31/15, 6:11:32 AM] Zack: bad
[5/31/15, 6:11:47 AM] Asston (Crisom): you've never even played it
[5/31/15, 6:11:47 AM] Asston (Crisom): fgt
[5/31/15, 6:11:51 AM] Zack: once
[5/31/15, 6:12:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): even the people who made apoc
[5/31/15, 6:12:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): pick old version
[5/31/15, 6:12:18 AM] Asston (Crisom): over new
[5/31/15, 6:12:25 AM] Zack: so
[5/31/15, 6:16:50 AM] Asston (Crisom): is better
[5/31/15, 6:17:01 AM] Zack: no
[5/31/15, 6:17:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): new one is an mes
[5/31/15, 6:17:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): glitch out of an ass
[5/31/15, 6:17:15 AM] Asston (Crisom): 2big
[5/31/15, 6:17:19 AM] Zack: old one is vesting out of an ass
[5/31/15, 6:17:21 AM] Asston (Crisom): way to many mountains
[5/31/15, 6:17:23 AM] Zack: exploiting out of an ass too
[5/31/15, 6:17:30 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats only thing wrong
[5/31/15, 6:17:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): which isnt orginal gameplay
[5/31/15, 6:17:38 AM] Zack: that's worse than glitches
[5/31/15, 6:17:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): he can fix that
[5/31/15, 6:18:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): pretty sure he's not going to re-do all mountains
[5/31/15, 6:18:02 AM] Zack: what's the point of playing when the kid you kill comes back with the same stuff and you get nothing
[5/31/15, 6:18:23 AM] Zack: there's no point at all
[5/31/15, 6:18:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): there's atleast 1 vester in every 5 servers
[5/31/15, 6:18:33 AM] Zack: there's like a vester in every server
[5/31/15, 6:18:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): parker and i played earlier with no vesters
[5/31/15, 6:18:43 AM] Zack: every sever we played in last night had a vester
[5/31/15, 6:18:51 AM] Zack: or was exploited
[5/31/15, 6:18:54 AM] Asston (Crisom): well, parker and I played in 3 more after that
[5/31/15, 6:18:59 AM] Asston (Crisom): no vesters
[5/31/15, 6:19:23 AM] Zack: or you just didn't run into them
[5/31/15, 6:19:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): no
[5/31/15, 6:19:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): we checked
[5/31/15, 6:19:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): player list
[5/31/15, 6:19:41 AM] Zack: like we never usually do
[5/31/15, 6:20:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): yeah. but there was one
[5/31/15, 6:20:43 AM] Zack: playing old apoc is like playing r2d
[5/31/15, 6:20:49 AM] Zack: it's horrible because it isn't updated
[5/31/15, 6:20:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): its not horrible
[5/31/15, 6:21:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): only problems are the exploiters
[5/31/15, 6:21:09 AM] Zack: which are in like every server
[5/31/15, 6:21:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): not every
[5/31/15, 6:21:20 AM] Asston (Crisom): and they get pacthed everyday
[5/31/15, 6:21:21 AM] Zack: almost every
[5/31/15, 6:21:30 AM] Asston (Crisom): patched* almost every week
[5/31/15, 6:21:31 AM] Zack: it doesn't get patched everyday
[5/31/15, 6:21:34 AM] Zack: or every week
[5/31/15, 6:21:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): almost every week
[5/31/15, 6:21:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): they stilkl work to patch them yes
[5/31/15, 6:21:45 AM] Asston (Crisom): still*
[5/31/15, 6:21:46 AM] Zack: he makes an update like once every two weeks
[5/31/15, 6:21:49 AM] Zack: and even then
[5/31/15, 6:21:57 AM] Zack: exploiters make new exploits within the next few days
[5/31/15, 6:22:01 AM] Zack: so it negates the whole patch
[5/31/15, 6:22:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): they'll make ones for the new one as well
[5/31/15, 6:22:28 AM] Zack: yes, hopefully it reduces lag
[5/31/15, 6:22:36 AM] Zack: because the new one is the better designed game overall
[5/31/15, 6:23:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): its not really
[5/31/15, 6:23:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes
[5/31/15, 6:23:11 AM] Zack: it is
[5/31/15, 6:23:13 AM] Asston (Crisom): it might have better detail
[5/31/15, 6:23:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): and shit
[5/31/15, 6:23:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): but gameplay wise
[5/31/15, 6:23:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): no
[5/31/15, 6:23:23 AM] Zack: the only problem is lagging
[5/31/15, 6:23:29 AM] Zack: it's not like exploiting
[5/31/15, 6:23:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's just like making a super awesome logo, but your company is shit
[5/31/15, 6:24:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): its not just that
[5/31/15, 6:24:00 AM] Zack: the old one is worse
[5/31/15, 6:24:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): the map is too big
[5/31/15, 6:24:04 AM] Zack: it's just a revisit to retro
[5/31/15, 6:24:08 AM] Zack: for people who don't want to change
[5/31/15, 6:24:19 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats why more people play the old one
[5/31/15, 6:24:19 AM] Zack: you realize
[5/31/15, 6:24:22 AM] Asston (Crisom): he made the map too big
[5/31/15, 6:24:22 AM] Zack: he put in the old version
[5/31/15, 6:24:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): and the cities dont even look good
[5/31/15, 6:24:27 AM] Zack: because it'll stimulate more income
[5/31/15, 6:24:35 AM] Zack: because everyone was crying
[5/31/15, 6:24:46 AM] Zack: 'oh it looks like DayZ, might as well go on steam;
[5/31/15, 6:24:58 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, he's been making the universe since he came up with the idea of a new map
[5/31/15, 6:25:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): he just put that project back until the new map was made
[5/31/15, 6:25:13 AM] Zack: there's really no use going back, it divides the workload
[5/31/15, 6:25:31 AM] Zack: making an already outdated game draw attention away from a game that can get so much more if it has better development
[5/31/15, 6:25:49 AM] Zack: it's like owen making 2-4 versions of hex
[5/31/15, 6:25:54 AM] Zack: just earlier builds
[5/31/15, 6:25:57 AM] Asston (Crisom): the old one is better
[5/31/15, 6:26:00 AM] Zack: everyone says that
[5/31/15, 6:26:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): it is
[5/31/15, 6:26:06 AM] Zack: because it's what they are used to
[5/31/15, 6:26:17 AM] Zack: you're used to getting good weapons in less than 5 minutes
[5/31/15, 6:26:24 AM] Zack: not actually having to go out of your way to get them
[5/31/15, 6:26:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): unless you have a fuckiing pc worth 4k, its going to lag
[5/31/15, 6:26:32 AM] Zack: i barely lag
[5/31/15, 6:26:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): same
[5/31/15, 6:26:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): but the glitches are still there
[5/31/15, 6:26:50 AM] Zack: those are easily fixable
[5/31/15, 6:26:53 AM] Zack: it's not like exploiting
[5/31/15, 6:27:06 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, the map is too big
[5/31/15, 6:27:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's fucking bad
[5/31/15, 6:27:13 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:27:18 AM] Asston (Crisom): he tried to hard making it look like deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:27:30 AM] Zack: it's based off of DayZ, not deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:27:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): all he should of done was make the orginal map bigger, and add more towens
[5/31/15, 6:27:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): towns*
[5/31/15, 6:27:41 AM] Zack: dev of new map took place before deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:27:51 AM] Zack: it would have came out regardless
[5/31/15, 6:27:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): no
[5/31/15, 6:27:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): dev started in dec
[5/31/15, 6:27:58 AM] Asston (Crisom): on new map
[5/31/15, 6:28:22 AM] Zack: yes, on a game modeled after DayZ and he even said was going to be expanded upon dramatically in a new version
[5/31/15, 6:28:33 AM] Zack: these games are modeled after steam games
[5/31/15, 6:28:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): the orginal new MAP was just a bigger map of the orginal with a bigger kin
[5/31/15, 6:28:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): then they saw deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:28:46 AM] Asston (Crisom): and basically replicated that shit
[5/31/15, 6:29:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): he released the orginal ORGINAL new map right before the new map
[5/31/15, 6:29:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): i played it for like 5 minutes
[5/31/15, 6:29:13 AM] Asston (Crisom): before it was taken down
[5/31/15, 6:29:13 AM] Zack: yeah
[5/31/15, 6:29:17 AM] Zack: the one everyone complained about
[5/31/15, 6:29:19 AM] Zack: immediately
[5/31/15, 6:29:25 AM] Zack: because it was broken as hell
[5/31/15, 6:29:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): yeah, but the thing is
[5/31/15, 6:29:38 AM] Zack: worse than glitches now
[5/31/15, 6:29:40 AM] Asston (Crisom): be orginal
[5/31/15, 6:29:45 AM] Zack: how?
[5/31/15, 6:29:47 AM] Asston (Crisom): apoc is orginal
[5/31/15, 6:29:47 AM] Zack: that is based off of
[5/31/15, 6:29:50 AM] Zack: another game
[5/31/15, 6:29:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): him doing all that shit
[5/31/15, 6:29:52 AM] Zack: kid
[5/31/15, 6:29:55 AM] Zack: Apoc = DayZ
[5/31/15, 6:29:57 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but the design
[5/31/15, 6:30:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): THE DESIGN
[5/31/15, 6:30:03 AM] Zack: is the same
[5/31/15, 6:30:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): ..
[5/31/15, 6:30:14 AM] Zack: there is nothing
[5/31/15, 6:30:16 AM] Asston (Crisom): talking about on ROBLOX\
[5/31/15, 6:30:19 AM] Zack: original about apoc or deadmisrt
[5/31/15, 6:30:23 AM] Zack: deadmist*
[5/31/15, 6:30:28 AM] Zack: they are both based off the same game
[5/31/15, 6:30:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): talking
[5/31/15, 6:30:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): in roblox
[5/31/15, 6:30:39 AM] Zack: every steam game is replicated on roblox
[5/31/15, 6:30:44 AM] Zack: so that argument makes no sense
[5/31/15, 6:30:57 AM] Asston (Crisom): he should have expanded the normal map and added more towns, and maybe a few more hills here and there
[5/31/15, 6:31:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): talking orginal to himself
[5/31/15, 6:31:14 AM] Zack: there's no originality when the game is basically a stolen version of an offsite game
[5/31/15, 6:31:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): im not going to go into detail because that'd take away the main idea of what im trying to get at
[5/31/15, 6:31:34 AM] Zack: might be 'original' on rob lox, but in reality it's not original at all
[5/31/15, 6:31:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): the new map is not fun
[5/31/15, 6:31:50 AM] Zack: new map is more like what the game it's supposed to be
[5/31/15, 6:32:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): not really, the old map was mad as it was because of the player battles
[5/31/15, 6:32:20 AM] Zack: yes, really
[5/31/15, 6:32:21 AM] Zack: go look up
[5/31/15, 6:32:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): i hate the new apoc because you rarely get into battles with stacked players
[5/31/15, 6:32:23 AM] Zack: DayZ
[5/31/15, 6:32:28 AM] Zack: the map is proportionally huge
[5/31/15, 6:32:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but he put his twist on it
[5/31/15, 6:32:41 AM] Zack: there's really no twist
[5/31/15, 6:32:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): LETS stop tlaking about dayz and deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:32:46 AM] Zack: the gameplay mechanics function the same
[5/31/15, 6:32:49 AM] Zack: why
[5/31/15, 6:32:54 AM] Zack: they're all fundamentally the same game
[5/31/15, 6:33:01 AM] Zack: with missing aspects from the original
[5/31/15, 6:33:04 AM] Asston (Crisom): because, once the orginal map we all know and love was put into place
[5/31/15, 6:33:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): he worked on the player battles
[5/31/15, 6:33:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): everything
[5/31/15, 6:33:19 AM] Zack: well, exactly
[5/31/15, 6:33:23 AM] Zack: if he stops working on past maps
[5/31/15, 6:33:28 AM] Zack: and works on player battles in new maps
[5/31/15, 6:33:32 AM] Zack: it'll likely be better
[5/31/15, 6:33:34 AM] Zack: new version
[5/31/15, 6:33:43 AM] Zack: is actually an 'open world survivalist environment'
[5/31/15, 6:33:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): the reason old apoc is fun is because it doesn't take 10 years to get from city to city
[5/31/15, 6:33:46 AM] Zack: it lives up to it's title
[5/31/15, 6:33:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): when we die, we WANT ro hurry our ass back
[5/31/15, 6:33:56 AM] Zack: the old versions weren't big because
[5/31/15, 6:34:02 AM] Zack: 1. roblox couldn't handle it
[5/31/15, 6:34:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): the game isnt fun this big
[5/31/15, 6:34:18 AM] Zack: 2. it was first based off zombie survival
[5/31/15, 6:34:22 AM] Asston (Crisom): it takes too damn long
[5/31/15, 6:34:31 AM] Zack: 3. it's catered to an audience that's mostly below the age of 16
[5/31/15, 6:34:39 AM] Asston (Crisom): the first day apoc came out, caleb, kevin and I played it
[5/31/15, 6:34:42 AM] Zack: that's the point of an open world survival game
[5/31/15, 6:34:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): we killed groups of people
[5/31/15, 6:34:46 AM] Asston (Crisom): stole shit
[5/31/15, 6:34:50 AM] Zack: you're not supposed to get stacked in the snap of a finger
[5/31/15, 6:34:59 AM] Zack: your supposed to explore a massive map
[5/31/15, 6:35:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): i know, ive had times on the normal apoc where it takes hours to get stacked
[5/31/15, 6:35:10 AM] Zack: no
[5/31/15, 6:35:12 AM] Zack: hours in normal
[5/31/15, 6:35:14 AM] Zack: is like 10 minutes
[5/31/15, 6:35:24 AM] Asston (Crisom): i dont play apoc for that reason
[5/31/15, 6:35:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): i play apoc for
[5/31/15, 6:35:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): -building bases
[5/31/15, 6:35:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): -killing
[5/31/15, 6:35:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): -bbuilding up cars
[5/31/15, 6:35:45 AM] Asston (Crisom): just exploring around is boring as shit
[5/31/15, 6:35:55 AM] Zack: you can do that while you explore
[5/31/15, 6:36:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): yeah, but it's too big
[5/31/15, 6:36:05 AM] Zack: the whole point of a bigger map is to have a larger environment to act in
[5/31/15, 6:36:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): there's like 30 players
[5/31/15, 6:36:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): and we hardly see kids with a good amount of guns
[5/31/15, 6:36:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): i like going against the odds
[5/31/15, 6:36:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): fighting kids with m4s when I have a makarov
[5/31/15, 6:36:43 AM] Zack: if we're going to be honest, the new map has players mainly around factory, mili outpost, dirk, and radio outpost
[5/31/15, 6:36:45 AM] Asston (Crisom): i like the intensity
[5/31/15, 6:36:53 AM] Zack: basically the same size of the old map or a bit biggerr
[5/31/15, 6:36:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): looting kids bodies when someone could be right behind me
[5/31/15, 6:37:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): the fun of it
[5/31/15, 6:37:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): idc that kids can get to me right when they die
[5/31/15, 6:37:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): that makes it more fun
[5/31/15, 6:37:16 AM] Zack: you might as well play hex or for then
[5/31/15, 6:37:23 AM] Zack: cor*
[5/31/15, 6:38:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): no
[5/31/15, 6:38:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): all of us like the old apoc
[5/31/15, 6:38:09 AM] Zack: not 'all of us'
[5/31/15, 6:38:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): our group we play with
[5/31/15, 6:38:24 AM] Zack: it's broken
[5/31/15, 6:38:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): you're going to end up being the only one
[5/31/15, 6:38:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): playing it
[5/31/15, 6:38:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): the new one
[5/31/15, 6:38:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): out of us
[5/31/15, 6:38:36 AM] Zack: that's fine
[5/31/15, 6:38:46 AM] Zack: i'll probably meet a group of people who like the new one
[5/31/15, 6:38:56 AM] Zack: and play with them while you guys play on the new
[5/31/15, 6:38:58 AM] Zack: old*
[5/31/15, 6:39:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): im just saying, it's pretty bad when the streamers theirselves and the mnakers pick the old one over the new
[5/31/15, 6:39:48 AM] Asston (Crisom): eventually the old one will be the main, and reborn will be the bigger map survialists play at
[5/31/15, 6:39:49 AM] Zack: well they should stop trying to kick a dead horse and work on a game that's supposed to compete with others in it's genre
[5/31/15, 6:40:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): they're in their own
[5/31/15, 6:40:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): apoc is fun because of the player battles
[5/31/15, 6:40:10 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:40:23 AM] Zack: not when you have an easy chance of fighting a vester
[5/31/15, 6:40:32 AM] Zack: or getting teleported and mass killed
[5/31/15, 6:40:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): apoc gets boring when you're driving around for atleast 10 mins without killing someone
[5/31/15, 6:40:45 AM] Zack: more challenging
[5/31/15, 6:40:53 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, boring
[5/31/15, 6:40:58 AM] Zack: actually challenging
[5/31/15, 6:41:03 AM] Zack: because people will play smarter
[5/31/15, 6:41:06 AM] Zack: to keep the stuff they earned
[5/31/15, 6:41:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's not fun
[5/31/15, 6:41:26 AM] Zack: i'll take the challenge over the easy way out
[5/31/15, 6:41:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): im telling you, in a few months the old one will be the main, and the new one will be used by survivalists
[5/31/15, 6:41:51 AM] Zack: well it'll be because the new one is obviously too hard
[5/31/15, 6:41:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): the reason the current apoc is exploited so much is because more people like it
[5/31/15, 6:41:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's not hard
[5/31/15, 6:42:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's just plain damn boring
[5/31/15, 6:42:02 AM] Zack: people with short attention spans will get bored
[5/31/15, 6:42:06 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats why I don't like deadmist
[5/31/15, 6:42:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's just boring
[5/31/15, 6:42:15 AM] Zack: because they can't take actually investing large amounts of time into building up and playing smart
[5/31/15, 6:42:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, battles are what fuel APOC
[5/31/15, 6:42:47 AM] Zack: well yeah
[5/31/15, 6:42:55 AM] Zack: but i'd rather get into a pitched strategical battle
[5/31/15, 6:43:02 AM] Zack: than kill someone then have them reset
[5/31/15, 6:43:09 AM] Zack: and kill me while I loot and get their stuff back
[5/31/15, 6:43:22 AM] Zack: because the map is so small
[5/31/15, 6:43:26 AM] Zack: and loot is so easy to get
[5/31/15, 6:43:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): the map isnt that small
[5/31/15, 6:43:36 AM] Zack: that you can just new gear quick and kill someone off
[5/31/15, 6:43:45 AM] Zack: it is if you can reset enough to get near your body
[5/31/15, 6:43:53 AM] Zack: because the spawn points are so few
[5/31/15, 6:43:59 AM] Zack: due to the map being so small
[5/31/15, 6:44:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, the spawn points are in areas that you have good walking distance to a nearby town
[5/31/15, 6:44:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): we usually die in the main cities
[5/31/15, 6:44:24 AM] Asston (Crisom): vernal
[5/31/15, 6:44:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): kin
[5/31/15, 6:44:27 AM] Asston (Crisom): mason
[5/31/15, 6:44:29 AM] Zack: all have nearby spawn points
[5/31/15, 6:44:31 AM] Zack: except for kin
[5/31/15, 6:44:33 AM] Asston (Crisom): spawns are near those
[5/31/15, 6:44:48 AM] Zack: it's not even worthwhile
[5/31/15, 6:44:52 AM] Zack: because the battles are so stupid
[5/31/15, 6:44:56 AM] Zack: people don't care for their loot
[5/31/15, 6:45:06 AM] Zack: because they can just reset and get stacked in 5 minutes
[5/31/15, 6:45:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): bs.
[5/31/15, 6:45:12 AM] Zack: there's no point
[5/31/15, 6:45:16 AM] Asston (Crisom): everyone cares for their loot
[5/31/15, 6:45:21 AM] Asston (Crisom): you can't get stacked in 5 mins
[5/31/15, 6:45:23 AM] Zack: yes you can
[5/31/15, 6:45:31 AM] Zack: you can get a good rifle or automatic in 5 minute
[5/31/15, 6:45:32 AM] Zack: minutes*
[5/31/15, 6:45:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): then why must you insist to take peoples guns when they die and you have nothing
[5/31/15, 6:45:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): or when you die
[5/31/15, 6:45:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): you RQ
[5/31/15, 6:45:50 AM] Zack: so i'll leave that stuff there so they can take it back?
[5/31/15, 6:45:57 AM] Asston (Crisom): if everyone got stacked in 5 mins vesters wouldn't really be much of a problem
[5/31/15, 6:45:58 AM] Asston (Crisom): would it
[5/31/15, 6:46:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): because 5 mins isnt that long
[5/31/15, 6:46:15 AM] Zack: stacked isn't military grade weaponry
[5/31/15, 6:46:29 AM] Zack: a stacked kid can have a ppsh or m3 and can kick your face in, easy
[5/31/15, 6:46:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): ppsh is the best gun in the game cqc
[5/31/15, 6:46:59 AM] Zack: yet it's not a 'stacked' weapon because it's not military
[5/31/15, 6:47:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): its considered stacked
[5/31/15, 6:47:14 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:47:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): ppsh 5+ mags
[5/31/15, 6:47:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): stacked
[5/31/15, 6:47:48 AM] Zack: and beyond that, half the time you take the gun is because you ran out with what you had and you need a new gun because the kid is respawning to get near you
[5/31/15, 6:48:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): not really
[5/31/15, 6:48:06 AM] Zack: really
[5/31/15, 6:48:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): i always keep my gun
[5/31/15, 6:48:13 AM] Zack: no, you'll change out
[5/31/15, 6:48:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): not going to lose a fucking ppsh to get a mosin just because some fuck is coming
[5/31/15, 6:48:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): i have a secondary
[5/31/15, 6:48:52 AM] Zack: no, you clearly grab the gun suitable to your situation
[5/31/15, 6:49:02 AM] Zack: makes no sense to grab a mosin
[5/31/15, 6:49:04 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, and then put it away once that said person is dead
[5/31/15, 6:49:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): or gone
[5/31/15, 6:49:06 AM] Zack: if you're out of ammo with a secondary
[5/31/15, 6:49:09 AM] Zack: but if he has a m4
[5/31/15, 6:49:16 AM] Zack: and you have no ppsh ammo
[5/31/15, 6:49:18 AM] Zack: then it makes sense
[5/31/15, 6:49:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): yeah, either run
[5/31/15, 6:49:30 AM] Asston (Crisom): or pick up a gun
[5/31/15, 6:49:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): then drop it once the job is done
[5/31/15, 6:50:03 AM] Zack: the point still being
[5/31/15, 6:50:06 AM] Zack: that they spawn close enough
[5/31/15, 6:50:10 AM] Zack: where you have to do that
[5/31/15, 6:50:15 AM] Zack: which is inherently why the game itself is bad
[5/31/15, 6:50:26 AM] Zack: you even said it yourself
[5/31/15, 6:50:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): well, when you lose your loot, you want to spawn close
[5/31/15, 6:50:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): you yourself
[5/31/15, 6:50:34 AM] Zack: 'watch out for that fresh spawn, he might have an ak'
[5/31/15, 6:50:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): today, you died in mason
[5/31/15, 6:50:39 AM] Asston (Crisom): you reset
[5/31/15, 6:50:43 AM] Zack: yes
[5/31/15, 6:50:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): to get close to mason
[5/31/15, 6:50:46 AM] Zack: exactly
[5/31/15, 6:50:48 AM] Zack: i proved my own point
[5/31/15, 6:51:01 AM] Zack: i'm using one of the flaws in the game
[5/31/15, 6:51:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but its a good flaw
[5/31/15, 6:51:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): for anyone
[5/31/15, 6:51:13 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:51:24 AM] Zack: takes out any challenge
[5/31/15, 6:51:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): flaws are not always bad
[5/31/15, 6:51:27 AM] Zack: if i can just
[5/31/15, 6:51:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): they're enjoyable
[5/31/15, 6:51:30 AM] Zack: reset and get my stuff back
[5/31/15, 6:51:34 AM] Zack: instead of building up again
[5/31/15, 6:51:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): half the fucking time we build up
[5/31/15, 6:51:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): okay
[5/31/15, 6:51:53 AM] Asston (Crisom): idc what you are saying, but 70% of the time we play
[5/31/15, 6:52:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): it takes us 30+ mins to get anything good
[5/31/15, 6:52:05 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:52:11 AM] Zack: takes like 10-20
[5/31/15, 6:52:13 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, you underestimate the time
[5/31/15, 6:52:19 AM] Zack: no, not really
[5/31/15, 6:52:22 AM] Asston (Crisom): i can play apoc for 5 hour and it feels like an hour
[5/31/15, 6:52:27 AM] Zack: i find a good automatic at roughly the 10 minute mark
[5/31/15, 6:52:35 AM] Zack: or less
[5/31/15, 6:52:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): still, that's fun
[5/31/15, 6:52:38 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:52:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): APOC isn't survival anymore, bud
[5/31/15, 6:52:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's player battles
[5/31/15, 6:52:50 AM] Zack: not the old version
[5/31/15, 6:52:52 AM] Zack: the new version
[5/31/15, 6:52:54 AM] Zack: what the genere
[5/31/15, 6:52:56 AM] Zack: genre*
[5/31/15, 6:53:00 AM] Zack: and actual game is based on
[5/31/15, 6:53:00 AM] Zack: is
[5/31/15, 6:53:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): but non one likes it
[5/31/15, 6:53:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): no*
[5/31/15, 6:53:12 AM] Zack: you're playing the arcade version meant for people with short attention spans
[5/31/15, 6:53:16 AM] Asston (Crisom): thus, old apoc still reigns supreme
[5/31/15, 6:53:17 AM] Zack: tell that to all the people in server
[5/31/15, 6:53:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's still better
[5/31/15, 6:53:25 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:53:28 AM] Zack: that's your opinion
[5/31/15, 6:53:30 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's just like telling people not to smoke
[5/31/15, 6:53:42 AM] Zack: your opinion doesn't automatically make it better for someone elose
[5/31/15, 6:53:43 AM] Zack: else*
[5/31/15, 6:53:49 AM] Asston (Crisom): the majority opinion si that they're still going to play it
[5/31/15, 6:53:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): the majority of anyone
[5/31/15, 6:53:56 AM] Zack: not anyone
[5/31/15, 6:54:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): almost everyone likes old apoc better
[5/31/15, 6:54:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): the people who made it do
[5/31/15, 6:54:14 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:54:20 AM] Zack: many servers for new apoc as well
[5/31/15, 6:54:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's why they only stream the old one
[5/31/15, 6:54:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): ?
[5/31/15, 6:54:32 AM] Zack: if you're referring to the community of vesters, exploiters, and alts
[5/31/15, 6:54:36 AM] Zack: then yes
[5/31/15, 6:54:39 AM] Zack: they all like it
[5/31/15, 6:54:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): new apoc will have those eventually
[5/31/15, 6:54:52 AM] Zack: because most streamers watching are below the age of 16
[5/31/15, 6:54:57 AM] Zack: you watch things for entertainment
[5/31/15, 6:55:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): well, that's the majority
[5/31/15, 6:55:04 AM] Zack: clearly action is entertainment
[5/31/15, 6:55:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): got to work or what the majority wants
[5/31/15, 6:55:13 AM] Asston (Crisom): for*
[5/31/15, 6:55:20 AM] Zack: not entirely the majority
[5/31/15, 6:55:27 AM] Asston (Crisom): mostly
[5/31/15, 6:55:27 AM] Zack: especially if new game still has dozens of servers
[5/31/15, 6:55:32 AM] Zack: which rival the old one
[5/31/15, 6:55:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but old apoc beats it
[5/31/15, 6:55:37 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:55:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): the new one has so many servers because of the hype
[5/31/15, 6:55:46 AM] Zack: if it 'beats' it, then the new one would be off the game
[5/31/15, 6:55:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): and bigger player list
[5/31/15, 6:55:57 AM] Zack: old one has severs for same reason
[5/31/15, 6:56:02 AM] Zack: apoc receives a 'hype' no matter what
[5/31/15, 6:56:06 AM] Zack: whether it's a new update or map
[5/31/15, 6:56:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but the majority like the player battles, not the survival
[5/31/15, 6:56:25 AM] Zack: everyone playing apoc is riding the hype train
[5/31/15, 6:56:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): big companies dont work for what the minority want
[5/31/15, 6:56:31 AM] Zack: once again
[5/31/15, 6:56:33 AM] Zack: not the majority
[5/31/15, 6:56:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes
[5/31/15, 6:56:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): most
[5/31/15, 6:56:40 AM] Zack: if the new one has almost as many servers
[5/31/15, 6:56:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): alot of people play the new apoc, doesn't mean they enjoy it as much as the old one
[5/31/15, 6:56:58 AM] Zack: still means they're playing it
[5/31/15, 6:57:00 AM] Zack: don't have to play
[5/31/15, 6:57:03 AM] Zack: the old apoc and enjoy it
[5/31/15, 6:57:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): the majority do
[5/31/15, 6:57:14 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 6:57:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes
[5/31/15, 6:57:24 AM] Asston (Crisom): ask c&G
[5/31/15, 6:57:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): right now
[5/31/15, 6:57:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): ask any forum
[5/31/15, 6:57:31 AM] Zack: c&g is a minority
[5/31/15, 6:57:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): ask any forum
[5/31/15, 6:57:36 AM] Zack: most boards are a minority
[5/31/15, 6:57:49 AM] Asston (Crisom): go into games
[5/31/15, 6:57:51 AM] Zack: i can't appeal to a minority
[5/31/15, 6:58:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but when people do surveys
[5/31/15, 6:58:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): its the minority
[5/31/15, 6:58:17 AM] Zack: 306 on the old one
[5/31/15, 6:58:20 AM] Zack: 321 on the new one
[5/31/15, 6:58:30 AM] Zack: seems like it's a 50-50
[5/31/15, 6:58:34 AM] Zack: that's no majority
[5/31/15, 6:58:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): not enjoyable wise
[5/31/15, 6:58:39 AM] Zack: once again
[5/31/15, 6:58:39 AM] Asston (Crisom): its becaise its the first one
[5/31/15, 6:58:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): when you join
[5/31/15, 6:58:43 AM] Zack: just because you play a version
[5/31/15, 6:58:45 AM] Zack: doesn't mean you enjoy it
[5/31/15, 6:58:54 AM] Zack: you're trying to justify your claims on a double-edged reason
[5/31/15, 6:59:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): im just saying
[5/31/15, 6:59:06 AM] Zack: i'm just telling
[5/31/15, 6:59:13 AM] Asston (Crisom): old apoc is beating the new version now
[5/31/15, 6:59:17 AM] Zack: 321-306
[5/31/15, 6:59:22 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's players
[5/31/15, 6:59:25 AM] Zack: mhmm
[5/31/15, 6:59:31 AM] Zack: you judged it
[5/31/15, 6:59:32 AM] Zack: on players
[5/31/15, 6:59:36 AM] Zack: i'm giving you
[5/31/15, 6:59:37 AM] Zack: statistics
[5/31/15, 6:59:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, becase its the first one when kids join the game
[5/31/15, 6:59:40 AM] Zack: don't change your backstory
[5/31/15, 6:59:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): okay, stop tlaking for one second
[5/31/15, 6:59:47 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats the first one
[5/31/15, 6:59:53 AM] Asston (Crisom): new kids will join that over the old one
[5/31/15, 7:00:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): but im sure if they went and played the old one
[5/31/15, 7:00:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): they'd enjoy it more
[5/31/15, 7:00:14 AM] Zack: they play the new one
[5/31/15, 7:00:15 AM] Asston (Crisom): new kids will join it because they dont know about apoic
[5/31/15, 7:00:19 AM] Zack: because they associate with it more
[5/31/15, 7:00:24 AM] Zack: because it's what they expect
[5/31/15, 7:00:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): when you first join the universe
[5/31/15, 7:00:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): which one is the first game?
[5/31/15, 7:00:33 AM] Asston (Crisom): new kids
[5/31/15, 7:00:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): will join it
[5/31/15, 7:00:37 AM] Zack: there's two options
[5/31/15, 7:00:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): once they go to the old one
[5/31/15, 7:00:48 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes ik
[5/31/15, 7:00:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): but thats the new one
[5/31/15, 7:00:52 AM] Zack: does not mean
[5/31/15, 7:00:53 AM] Asston (Crisom): new kids
[5/31/15, 7:00:56 AM] Zack: they will like the old one
[5/31/15, 7:01:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): "oh, the old one probably not fun at all"
[5/31/15, 7:01:03 AM] Zack: just because you do
[5/31/15, 7:01:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): they go to it
[5/31/15, 7:01:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): like it better
[5/31/15, 7:01:09 AM] Zack: doesn't mean they will
[5/31/15, 7:01:12 AM] Asston (Crisom): the majority
[5/31/15, 7:01:13 AM] Zack: not everyone is austin
[5/31/15, 7:01:15 AM] Zack: 321-306
[5/31/15, 7:01:19 AM] Zack: no majority
[5/31/15, 7:01:21 AM] Zack: 50-50 split
[5/31/15, 7:01:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): ask c&g
[5/31/15, 7:01:46 AM] Asston (Crisom): ask any forum
[5/31/15, 7:02:15 AM] Zack: minorities
[5/31/15, 7:02:16 AM] Zack: once again
[5/31/15, 7:02:20 AM] Zack: you said not to ask them
[5/31/15, 7:02:28 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, and when people do surveys lets say on...height?
[5/31/15, 7:02:34 AM] Zack: it's not on height
[5/31/15, 7:02:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): its a minority of the people
[5/31/15, 7:02:36 AM] Zack: it's on apoc
[5/31/15, 7:02:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes
[5/31/15, 7:02:47 AM] Asston (Crisom): im giving you a prime example on how this would work
[5/31/15, 7:02:52 AM] Zack: it's not a very good one
[5/31/15, 7:03:08 AM] Zack: your basing your whole argument
[5/31/15, 7:03:10 AM] Zack: on a personal appeal
[5/31/15, 7:03:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): when people do surveys in real life on things, yes its a minority because they're not going to spend the time to survey everyone in the world
[5/31/15, 7:03:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): it's on around 50-100 people
[5/31/15, 7:03:27 AM] Zack: i'm not going to survey
[5/31/15, 7:03:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): you can average that
[5/31/15, 7:03:29 AM] Zack: one group
[5/31/15, 7:03:31 AM] Zack: because that's stupid
[5/31/15, 7:03:36 AM] Zack: i would survey multiple groupd
[5/31/15, 7:03:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): no, thats how it works
[5/31/15, 7:03:38 AM] Zack: groups*
[5/31/15, 7:03:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes
[5/31/15, 7:03:43 AM] Zack: beyond a board of trolls and morons
[5/31/15, 7:03:46 AM] Asston (Crisom): all of the forums on roblox
[5/31/15, 7:03:52 AM] Zack: all one minority
[5/31/15, 7:03:55 AM] Zack: what about the gamers
[5/31/15, 7:03:58 AM] Zack: who don't forum
[5/31/15, 7:04:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats around millions of people
[5/31/15, 7:04:09 AM] Zack: i can survey a small group
[5/31/15, 7:04:15 AM] Zack: it's called a sample
[5/31/15, 7:04:19 AM] Zack: of the population
[5/31/15, 7:04:21 AM] Asston (Crisom): thatshow it works tho, zack
[5/31/15, 7:04:21 AM] Asston (Crisom): lol
[5/31/15, 7:04:25 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's how it works
[5/31/15, 7:04:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats how people get averages
[5/31/15, 7:04:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): 3/5 shit like that
[5/31/15, 7:04:40 AM] Asston (Crisom): like 3/5 people pick this over that
[5/31/15, 7:06:31 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 7:06:34 AM] Zack: you are picking a sample
[5/31/15, 7:06:37 AM] Zack: from a minority
[5/31/15, 7:06:40 AM] Zack: that you are apart of
[5/31/15, 7:06:47 AM] Zack: you take all your info
[5/31/15, 7:06:50 AM] Asston (Crisom): im talking about surveys in general
[5/31/15, 7:06:50 AM] Zack: from one group of people
[5/31/15, 7:06:54 AM] Zack: who are a comparative minority
[5/31/15, 7:06:55 AM] Asston (Crisom): how do sirveys work, zack
[5/31/15, 7:06:58 AM] Zack: to the rest of the player base
[5/31/15, 7:06:58 AM] Asston (Crisom): surveys
[5/31/15, 7:07:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): explain to me
[5/31/15, 7:07:08 AM] Zack: i just did
[5/31/15, 7:07:13 AM] Zack: you take samples of different groups
[5/31/15, 7:07:19 AM] Zack: not just one group like the forum
[5/31/15, 7:07:24 AM] Zack: because not only forumers play apoc
[5/31/15, 7:07:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, lets use the world as an example
[5/31/15, 7:07:33 AM] Zack: there's no use for an example?
[5/31/15, 7:07:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): the minority of the world is it not
[5/31/15, 7:07:40 AM] Zack: your condescending tone is pretty rude?
[5/31/15, 7:07:46 AM] Asston (Crisom): when you survey groups, its not like you survey the whole world
[5/31/15, 7:07:49 AM] Asston (Crisom): you survey a minoority
[5/31/15, 7:07:53 AM] Zack: you're trying to defend a narrow-minded view
[5/31/15, 7:07:59 AM] Zack: the fact is that not every likes what you like
[5/31/15, 7:08:02 AM] Zack: you have to live with that
[5/31/15, 7:08:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): im just telling you the truth
[5/31/15, 7:08:06 AM] Zack: 321-306
[5/31/15, 7:08:08 AM] Asston (Crisom): i dont give a fuck
[5/31/15, 7:08:10 AM] Zack: there is no majority
[5/31/15, 7:08:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): im just saying
[5/31/15, 7:08:14 AM] Zack: i'm just telling
[5/31/15, 7:08:22 AM] Asston (Crisom): im not fighting you on the game anymore, im fighting you on the survey
[5/31/15, 7:08:32 AM] Zack: a survey about the game
[5/31/15, 7:08:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): when you survey, you always survey the minority
[5/31/15, 7:08:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): you cant survey the whole thing
[5/31/15, 7:08:45 AM] Zack: when you survey
[5/31/15, 7:08:49 AM] Zack: you survey different samples
[5/31/15, 7:08:51 AM] Zack: from populations
[5/31/15, 7:08:57 AM] Zack: you don't survey one group
[5/31/15, 7:09:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes exactly
[5/31/15, 7:09:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): c&G
[5/31/15, 7:09:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): RT
[5/31/15, 7:09:05 AM] Zack: you just told me
[5/31/15, 7:09:06 AM] Asston (Crisom): anything
[5/31/15, 7:09:10 AM] Zack: you survey one group
[5/31/15, 7:09:13 AM] Zack: ROBLOX Forum = one group
[5/31/15, 7:09:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): thats still the minority is it not
[5/31/15, 7:09:18 AM] Zack: now you survey
[5/31/15, 7:09:20 AM] Zack: the gamers
[5/31/15, 7:09:25 AM] Zack: you survey developers
[5/31/15, 7:09:35 AM] Asston (Crisom): just because i survey different races around the world doesnt mean im surveying the majority of the population
[5/31/15, 7:09:39 AM] Asston (Crisom): everyone thinks different
[5/31/15, 7:09:39 AM] Zack: it's not
[5/31/15, 7:09:47 AM] Zack: but it gives you a feel for what people like
[5/31/15, 7:09:53 AM] Zack: which is what you're not understanding
[5/31/15, 7:09:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, people like player battles
[5/31/15, 7:09:59 AM] Asston (Crisom): people like
[5/31/15, 7:10:00 AM] Zack: once again
[5/31/15, 7:10:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): survival
[5/31/15, 7:10:02 AM] Zack: not everyone does
[5/31/15, 7:10:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): Listen
[5/31/15, 7:10:06 AM] Asston (Crisom): I know
[5/31/15, 7:10:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): People like player battles
[5/31/15, 7:10:12 AM] Zack: you're trying to tell me how surveys work
[5/31/15, 7:10:15 AM] Asston (Crisom): people like survival
[5/31/15, 7:10:18 AM] Zack: it's pretty damn obvious
[5/31/15, 7:10:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): on to a diff subject
[5/31/15, 7:10:24 AM] Asston (Crisom): listen
[5/31/15, 7:10:30 AM] Zack: i'm trying to listen
[5/31/15, 7:10:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): but once again, the player battle aspect is beating the survival aspect of the game
[5/31/15, 7:10:37 AM] Zack: but you can't even put together a survey correctly
[5/31/15, 7:10:40 AM] Zack: so why should i listen
[5/31/15, 7:10:55 AM] Asston (Crisom): because like you're not looking at it from the right point
[5/31/15, 7:10:56 AM] Zack: you keep telling me
[5/31/15, 7:11:03 AM] Zack: >take all your votes from one source
[5/31/15, 7:11:05 AM] Zack: so okay
[5/31/15, 7:11:06 AM] Zack: in illinois
[5/31/15, 7:11:06 AM] Asston (Crisom): im trying to give you examples and you shoot them down because its not roblox
[5/31/15, 7:11:09 AM] Zack: i'll get my survey from
[5/31/15, 7:11:10 AM] Zack: just chicago
[5/31/15, 7:11:13 AM] Zack: not springfield
[5/31/15, 7:11:17 AM] Zack: or any other big city
[5/31/15, 7:11:18 AM] Zack: just chucago
[5/31/15, 7:11:23 AM] Zack: because they represent the whole state
[5/31/15, 7:11:27 AM] Zack: no
[5/31/15, 7:11:29 AM] Zack: that's not true
[5/31/15, 7:11:32 AM] Zack: but you're telling me
[5/31/15, 7:11:36 AM] Zack: to survey one part of this website
[5/31/15, 7:11:38 AM] Zack: and ignore the rest
[5/31/15, 7:11:46 AM] Zack: it does not work like that
[5/31/15, 7:11:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): um, i told you earlier to go into games?
[5/31/15, 7:11:54 AM] Zack: i did
[5/31/15, 7:11:56 AM] Zack: 321-306
[5/31/15, 7:12:00 AM] Asston (Crisom): go int games
[5/31/15, 7:12:01 AM] Zack: new-old
[5/31/15, 7:12:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): and ask people?
[5/31/15, 7:12:06 AM] Zack: yes
[5/31/15, 7:12:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): you didnt.
[5/31/15, 7:12:09 AM] Zack: because i'm going to start
[5/31/15, 7:12:12 AM] Zack: a 1,000 person survey
[5/31/15, 7:12:22 AM] Zack: over a meaningless argument because my friend is angry i don't like what he lieks
[5/31/15, 7:12:31 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, thats why people survey the majority
[5/31/15, 7:12:35 AM] Zack: then you do it
[5/31/15, 7:12:36 AM] Zack: go survey
[5/31/15, 7:12:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): you wont do it because thats too much people for you
[5/31/15, 7:12:41 AM] Zack: since you're so keen on making a point
[5/31/15, 7:13:03 AM] Asston (Crisom): im not, because i really dont care, im just saying the majority like apoc because of the player battles, not the survival
[5/31/15, 7:13:04 AM] Asston (Crisom): aspect
[5/31/15, 7:13:07 AM] Zack: if you don't care
[5/31/15, 7:13:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): everyone wants to kill
[5/31/15, 7:13:10 AM] Zack: then why did you bring it up
[5/31/15, 7:13:13 AM] Zack: in the first place
[5/31/15, 7:13:29 AM] Zack: you went from
[5/31/15, 7:13:33 AM] Zack: your rts game
[5/31/15, 7:13:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): because everytime we play the old apoc you whine about shit, when we play the new one, i dont like it, but i still act like im enjoying it
[5/31/15, 7:13:40 AM] Zack: to telling me what apoc developers like
[5/31/15, 7:13:57 AM] Zack: then you say stop whining
[5/31/15, 7:13:58 AM] Zack: you never do
[5/31/15, 7:14:15 AM] Zack: and btw last night was the only time I rqed with actually whining
[5/31/15, 7:14:17 AM] Asston (Crisom): and again, you never listen to me when I say i enjoy arguing
[5/31/15, 7:14:25 AM] Zack: there's no point to arguing
[5/31/15, 7:14:27 AM] Zack: if your argument
[5/31/15, 7:14:30 AM] Zack: isn't doing anything
[5/31/15, 7:14:33 AM] Zack: but chasing it's own tail
[5/31/15, 7:14:42 AM] Zack: you're going in circles austin
[5/31/15, 7:14:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): there's no point of arguing at all
[5/31/15, 7:14:46 AM] Zack: you're fighting an uphill battle
[5/31/15, 7:14:48 AM] Zack: for no reason
[5/31/15, 7:14:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): not like us 2 people are changing anything, are we?
[5/31/15, 7:14:58 AM] Zack: exactly
[5/31/15, 7:14:59 AM] Asston (Crisom): no pint in this argument
[5/31/15, 7:15:03 AM] Zack: so why are you continuing
[5/31/15, 7:15:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): but then again, i like to argue
[5/31/15, 7:15:07 AM] Asston (Crisom): passes time
[5/31/15, 7:15:12 AM] Zack: you tell me to be mindful of not whining
[5/31/15, 7:15:18 AM] Zack: well i'll whine if you argue stupid points
[5/31/15, 7:15:38 AM] Asston (Crisom): im not saying you're whining rn
[5/31/15, 7:15:44 AM] Zack: well i'm gonna whine
[5/31/15, 7:15:47 AM] Zack: next apoc session
[5/31/15, 7:15:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): im just saying when we're doing things
[5/31/15, 7:15:53 AM] Zack: because of this pointless argument
[5/31/15, 7:16:33 AM] Asston (Crisom): you dont see me whining in new apoc, i might say shit like "that car is lagging bad, or fucking arm glitch" but its nothing big
[5/31/15, 7:16:43 AM] Zack: yes but my complaints are valid?
[5/31/15, 7:16:51 AM] Zack: complaing about vesters and exploiters?
[5/31/15, 7:16:54 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, and so are mine, anyone can prove a point
[5/31/15, 7:16:55 AM] Zack: which is what i did
[5/31/15, 7:16:57 AM] Zack: last night
[5/31/15, 7:17:06 AM] Zack: so essentially it wasn't whining
[5/31/15, 7:17:09 AM] Zack: because if that's whining
[5/31/15, 7:17:15 AM] Zack: then you crying about arm glitches is whining too
[5/31/15, 7:17:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): yeah, but i dont RQ
[5/31/15, 7:17:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): the game because of it
[5/31/15, 7:17:34 AM] Zack: well yeah
[5/31/15, 7:17:36 AM] Zack: why would i play
[5/31/15, 7:17:41 AM] Zack: a pointless server
[5/31/15, 7:17:50 AM] Zack: where i kill kids but they come back with the same gear
[5/31/15, 7:17:51 AM] Zack: everytime
[5/31/15, 7:18:18 AM] Asston (Crisom): i hate vesters as much as you do, but i like to kill vesters just for the fun of it, they might get their shit back, but that sense of accomplishment when you fuck up someone with advantages over you is fucking great
[5/31/15, 7:18:29 AM] Zack: i play the game to advance
[5/31/15, 7:18:31 AM] Zack: if i want that
[5/31/15, 7:18:33 AM] Zack: i'll play new map
[5/31/15, 7:18:42 AM] Asston (Crisom): i play the game for the player battles
[5/31/15, 7:18:50 AM] Zack: then play the game for that reason
[5/31/15, 7:18:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): i dont build cars to explore
[5/31/15, 7:18:59 AM] Asston (Crisom): i build cars to go kill
[5/31/15, 7:19:00 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:19:04 AM] Zack: you do that
[5/31/15, 7:19:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, and you do what you're doing
[5/31/15, 7:19:15 AM] Zack: exactly
[5/31/15, 7:19:30 AM] Asston (Crisom): im not saying it's a good thing, but the majority of people play for the player battles
[5/31/15, 7:19:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): i dont like that
[5/31/15, 7:19:36 AM] Zack: 321-306
[5/31/15, 7:19:37 AM] Asston (Crisom): i want to be a minority
[5/31/15, 7:19:45 AM] Zack: then be a minority
[5/31/15, 7:19:50 AM] Zack: just don't spout arguments that aren't correct
[5/31/15, 7:20:03 AM] Zack: it's like arguing with a liberal
[5/31/15, 7:20:08 AM] Zack: they're retarded but they want to be heard
[5/31/15, 7:20:10 AM] Asston (Crisom): just because people are playing it doesnt mean they enjoy it
[5/31/15, 7:20:13 AM] Zack: once again
[5/31/15, 7:20:16 AM] Zack: same applies to old apoic
[5/31/15, 7:20:18 AM] Zack: apoc*
[5/31/15, 7:20:24 AM] Zack: but it's still a 50-50
[5/31/15, 7:20:27 AM] Zack: so oh wel
[5/31/15, 7:20:29 AM] Zack: well*
[5/31/15, 7:20:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): you dont get what i say
[5/31/15, 7:20:39 AM] Zack: i do
[5/31/15, 7:20:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): player battles isnt just old apoc
[5/31/15, 7:20:44 AM] Zack: you're spouting your own opinion
[5/31/15, 7:20:45 AM] Asston (Crisom): its in both
[5/31/15, 7:20:53 AM] Zack: not everyone shares your opinion
[5/31/15, 7:20:59 AM] Asston (Crisom): ik, but the majority does
[5/31/15, 7:21:02 AM] Zack: so you shouldn't assume a majority of people agree with you
[5/31/15, 7:21:05 AM] Zack: when it's a 50-50 split
[5/31/15, 7:21:26 AM] Zack: not everyone agrees with you
[5/31/15, 7:21:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): you're saying 50/50 off of the number of people who are playing each game when im talking about an aspect both of the games have
[5/31/15, 7:21:32 AM] Zack: half the people who play do
[5/31/15, 7:21:38 AM] Zack: half the people who play don't
[5/31/15, 7:21:46 AM] Zack: so oh well
[5/31/15, 7:21:48 AM] Asston (Crisom): apoc is good because of the player battles
[5/31/15, 7:21:51 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:21:51 AM] Asston (Crisom): look at deadmist
[5/31/15, 7:22:00 AM] Zack: well yeah
[5/31/15, 7:22:05 AM] Zack: it's a helluva lot more challenging
[5/31/15, 7:22:07 AM] Zack: in every single aspect
[5/31/15, 7:22:10 AM] Zack: including player battles
[5/31/15, 7:22:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes,
[5/31/15, 7:22:16 AM] Zack: and it's also an unfinished game
[5/31/15, 7:22:23 AM] Zack: still in dev
[5/31/15, 7:22:26 AM] Zack: where you have to buy your way in
[5/31/15, 7:22:32 AM] Zack: because notice
[5/31/15, 7:22:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): but it will never beat APOC due to the lack of player battle
[5/31/15, 7:22:34 AM] Zack: you have to buy access
[5/31/15, 7:22:37 AM] Zack: for phantom forces
[5/31/15, 7:22:41 AM] Zack: it rarely has more than 50 players
[5/31/15, 7:22:44 AM] Zack: but when it's free
[5/31/15, 7:22:45 AM] Zack: 1,000+
[5/31/15, 7:22:57 AM] Zack: cannot judge a game just because it's in dev and costs money to get into
[5/31/15, 7:23:02 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, but im talking about deadmist will never beat apoc
[5/31/15, 7:23:05 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:23:07 AM] Zack: well nobody knows that
[5/31/15, 7:23:12 AM] Zack: because deadmist hasn't come out yet
[5/31/15, 7:23:32 AM] Asston (Crisom): doesnt cost that much
[5/31/15, 7:23:36 AM] Zack: to a NBCer
[5/31/15, 7:23:39 AM] Zack: yes it does
[5/31/15, 7:23:46 AM] Zack: majority of apoc players = nbc
[5/31/15, 7:23:52 AM] Zack: majority = cannot get in
[5/31/15, 7:23:54 AM] Zack: alts = cannot get in
[5/31/15, 7:24:26 AM] Asston (Crisom): BCers are on a rise
[5/31/15, 7:24:32 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:24:37 AM] Zack: they've said that
[5/31/15, 7:24:39 AM] Zack: for 4 years
[5/31/15, 7:24:46 AM] Zack: and many severs are still nbc dominated
[5/31/15, 7:24:52 AM] Asston (Crisom): bc costs 10 dollars
[5/31/15, 7:24:57 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes becaue guests
[5/31/15, 7:24:58 AM] Asston (Crisom): and new accounts
[5/31/15, 7:25:01 AM] Asston (Crisom): because*
[5/31/15, 7:25:04 AM] Zack: yep
[5/31/15, 7:25:10 AM] Zack: still, many more nbc than bc
[5/31/15, 7:25:24 AM] Zack: so that doesn't really matter
[5/31/15, 7:25:33 AM] Zack: because remember
[5/31/15, 7:25:36 AM] Zack: bcers are on the rise
[5/31/15, 7:25:41 AM] Zack: but phantom forces can barely get 70+
[5/31/15, 7:25:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): ik, but in a few months, the apoc majority will be played by the apocers
[5/31/15, 7:25:44 AM] Zack: but when it's free
[5/31/15, 7:25:47 AM] Zack: 1,000+
[5/31/15, 7:25:56 AM] Asston (Crisom): apoc never gets number 1 game
[5/31/15, 7:26:02 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:26:05 AM] Zack: well we're talking about
[5/31/15, 7:26:06 AM] Zack: deadmist now
[5/31/15, 7:26:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): never, because after a few months, the main people who play it are the apocers
[5/31/15, 7:26:15 AM] Asston (Crisom): that's changed
[5/31/15, 7:26:19 AM] Zack: not really
[5/31/15, 7:26:23 AM] Asston (Crisom): talking about people now
[5/31/15, 7:26:27 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:26:34 AM] Zack: well apocers are not a definitive bc or nbc
[5/31/15, 7:26:41 AM] Zack: so that really makes no sense
[5/31/15, 7:26:43 AM] Asston (Crisom): ik, we're off that
[5/31/15, 7:26:46 AM] Zack: since when
[5/31/15, 7:27:05 AM] Asston (Crisom): On 5/31/15, at 7:25 AM, Austin wrote:
> ik, but in a few months, the apoc majority will be played by the apocers

[5/31/15, 7:27:28 AM] Zack: okay
[5/31/15, 7:27:33 AM] Zack: why are we changing the subject
[5/31/15, 7:27:44 AM] Asston (Crisom): because it adds on to old points
[5/31/15, 7:27:47 AM] Zack: no
[5/31/15, 7:27:50 AM] Zack: we weren't talking about
[5/31/15, 7:27:51 AM] Zack: apoc
[5/31/15, 7:27:53 AM] Zack: or people who play it
[5/31/15, 7:28:01 AM] Zack: we were talking about deadmist and buying access to a game
[5/31/15, 7:28:10 AM] Zack: neither of those involved apoc
[5/31/15, 7:28:19 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, and why did we switch to that from apoc
[5/31/15, 7:28:26 AM] Zack: idk you tell me
[5/31/15, 7:28:28 AM] Zack: you changed it
[5/31/15, 7:28:29 AM] Asston (Crisom): exactly
[5/31/15, 7:28:33 AM] Asston (Crisom): ZACK
[5/31/15, 7:28:34 AM] Asston (Crisom): listen
[5/31/15, 7:28:36 AM] Asston (Crisom): i like arguing
[5/31/15, 7:28:38 AM] Zack: yes
[5/31/15, 7:28:41 AM] Asston (Crisom): you are feeding me
[5/31/15, 7:28:42 AM] Zack: well that's a very bad arguing skill
[5/31/15, 7:28:48 AM] Zack: link
[5/31/15, 7:28:51 AM] Zack: your arguments together
[5/31/15, 7:28:53 AM] Zack: and i will glady
[5/31/15, 7:28:54 AM] Asston (Crisom): yes, ill do anything to keep it going
[5/31/15, 7:28:55 AM] Zack: argue with yen
[5/31/15, 7:28:58 AM] Zack: all day long
[5/31/15, 7:29:03 AM] Zack: but if you change the subject like that
[5/31/15, 7:29:07 AM] Zack: then it's a no
[5/31/15, 7:29:09 AM] Asston (Crisom): im trying to stay awake right now
[5/31/15, 7:29:11 AM] Asston (Crisom): i havent slept
[5/31/15, 7:29:14 AM] Asston (Crisom): in 2 days
[5/31/15, 7:29:19 AM] Zack: take head
[5/31/15, 7:29:22 AM] Zack: put into blender
[5/31/15, 7:29:34 AM] Zack: go drink coffee
[5/31/15, 7:29:40 AM] Zack: or something with caffeine
[5/31/15, 7:29:42 AM] Zack: or eat breakfast